Forming casual relationships with people is pretty easy, but it takes a lot of work to build ones that last for the long haul.

How do you recognize the difference between meaningful and informal relationships and what do you need to make them work for you?

This latest Living 4D Podcast Rewind — Paul’s first conversation with the amazing Dr. Keith Witt — is all about what it takes to build healthy relationships.

Keith and Paul describe some of the very familiar obstacles that get in the way of building relationships — navigating differences in politics and culture — and how to you can begin to overcome those potential roadblocks by approaching them more slowly and deliberately.

If you enjoy this conversation and want to learn more about Keith and his work, check out his website where he’s offering a free ebook and video series on how to be a great parent and how to love your partner better.