It’s no secret Paul has no interest in biohacking, a fact that’s abundantly clear in his Living 4D conversations with Ben Greenfield.

So, you’d probably expect sparks to fly fast and furiously with any conversation between Paul and New York Times bestselling author and award-winning podcaster Dave Asprey, considered by many to be the Father of Biohacking.

Not so much…

In fact, this Living 4D Podcast Rewind is anything but contentious as Dave and Paul talk about one of their favorite subjects — coffee — along with why adding butter makes such a huge difference, unless you’re drinking moldy coffee (you probably are).

Dave also shares why our bodies often believe things that aren’t true and how many self-help gurus are mass-murderers (they teach people things that aren’t true).

If you enjoy this Living 4D Podcast Rewind, check out Paul’s conversation with Dave for his Human Upgrade podcast.